The Becoming Podcast – Season 5; Episode 7: Lucy Jones on the metamorphosis of pregnancy, childbirth + motherhood

Sep 19, 2023

Hello beautiful ones!  I am so excited to share this month’s interview with Lucy Jones with you.  I think it might be one of my favourite episodes ever:  our conversation was so rich and so full of the kinds of things I think we *really* need to be talking about when it comes to matrescence and motherhood.

I started following Lucy in the early days of writing her new book, Matrescence: On the Metamorphosis of Pregnancy, Childbirth and Motherhood.  I was totally captivated by the ecological lens she applied to the transition to motherhood.  It was so much like my own perpsective and experience that I felt I’d found a kindred spirit.

Lucy’s book is one of the first on the experience of matrescence, and it is a raw and riveting account of her own metamorphosis as well as a cultural critique about modern motherhood.

As we near the close of registration for the 2023 Season of MotherSHIFT and The Village, I’m delighted to be able to share this conversation with the many of you who are also walking this path of matrescence and matrescence-support.


First, let me tell you a little bit about Lucy:

Lucy Jones is a UK-based mother, journalist and the author of four books including the best-selling Losing Eden: Why Our Minds Need the Wild, a Times and Telegraph Book of the Year, and Matrescence: On the Metamorphosis of Pregnancy, Childbirth and Motherhood. Her writing on science, health and ecology has been published in BBC Earth, The Sunday Times, GQ, the Daily Telegraph and the New Statesman. Currently she spends most of the time nurturing her three young children.

Here’s some of what Lucy and I talk about in this episode:

> The rarely spoken-of and yet increasingly common ecological awakening that so many new mothers have – and Lucy’s personal experience of leaning into her relationship with the living world as she traversed her own matrescence.

> The things no one ever fucking told us about motherhood, including the societal expectations of motherhood versus the realities so many of us face.  We talk about ideologies around birth and mothering and how they deny us the opportunity to feel “normal” in these richly complex and usually paradoxical experiences.

> The absence of modern-day rite and ritual to support us through matrescence, and how we must engage in the act of culture creation in order to reclaim these.

> How liberal feminism lets mothers down, and how motherhood revolutionizes our relationship with work (and capitalism).

> The untapped power of matrescence to radicalize us and poise us to advocate for social change (the biggest FUCK YES of this whole episode!).


I loved this interview so much, and I hope you enjoy tuning in!


Listen to the episode on iTunes



Show notes


Lucy’s Website

Lucy’s Instagram

Buy the Matrescence book!

Dr. Allison Davis’ work on the ecological awakening in matrescence 

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